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What is the most trivial thing that still annoys you?
Posted by Uncle Wheaty on 12 June 2009 - 7:50pm.
I have no idea why it is but every time is see the word focused written as "focussed" in print or a presentation that has assumably been checked by someone I get annoyed.
Maybe its just me but if you have similar foibles lets share and unburden them here...
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actually
it can be written either way, though single s is preferred.
assumably
?
presumably assumably is presumably
It was late and the wine had obviously worked!
"ss" is wrong in my view
It just looks ugly
It looks all right to me with a double 's'
After a short vowel sound ('u') a double 's' makes sense. You wouldn't say someone was 'concused'. I don't get too 'fused' about it personally but always use the double 'ss'. I think I've got it well 'sused'.
Does it really?
Concuss
Suss
Fuss
all have the "ss" already in place.
Or am I getting "confussed"?
This is the best start to a thread........
ever.
Nice smart...
...uniforms, though.
Are you
Ferry in disguise?
;-)
Nein!
(Mein gott - der Englisher Tommy was almost rumbling me...)
the overuse of...
"GOING FORWARD " - please stop it now ! You'll hear it at every bloomin' meeting , on every interview with a politician and we got on very well without it "back in the day " - ( there's another one )...I'll get me coat .
Pacific
instead of specific. Usually in speech rather than as a written word for some reason. My colleague at work also doesn't know the difference between borrow and lend which drives me nuts. Just a thought but is there such a word as 'assumably' or was that the joke I missed?
Borrow and lend
That is such a common error
'haitch'
and 'nukiller power'.
hazel blears
Yes.....
she's got some neck.
Oh where do I start?
Giving 110% gets on my tits a lot.
People so intent on chatting they block the way for others - stand to the side and chat. It will still work.
Wheeled briefcases and luggage. Get out of the way before you stop to pull up the bloody handle.
People who drive any car they are incapable of parking neatly.
Strangers pointing at our twins like they are freakishly entertaining.
Rod Liddle.
Thinking outside the box is very annoying, especially when there isn't a box anywhere near.
"Can I get me a latte" bugs me (because of an earlier Word blog posting - I hadn't noticed before).
ITV. All of it but especially the football coverage.
Amanda Holden (A-Hol).
Blue sky
thinking (outside the box, of course) is just one of many, many annoying business/marketing expressions.
Enjoy yourselves with these:
http://www.lovelyjane.btinternet.co.uk/bullshit.htm
A-Hol?
Presumably, that's pronounced with a long 'O'?
"As in holes"
for Bully's special prize, what song is this quote from?
Studio/console chat preceding
"Andy Warhol"
Personally I get irritated with people who when using
there/they're/their
can't tell them apart at or-or-or-or-or-or-all... or don't know that there is a world of difference between them, to be a little more charitable.
Hope
you liked the prize :-)
People who write
"I would of ..." as in "I would of done it"
There just...
...retards.
sic
PIN
That's simple, "PIN Number". I even came across a reference to a "Personal PIN Number" in a document at work last week.
You know you can use your PIN Number at an ATM Machine
That would be you can use your Personal Identification Number Number at an Automatic Telling Machine Machine.
And you could do it, in the good old days at least, at ....
the TSB Bank.
I used to do that after the day's business had finished at...
the annual TUC Congress.
I used to watch the updates
on the ITN News.
My Dad had an abhorrence for all abbreviations
he was once joining one of those new fangled video stores and when asked for ID told them he didn't have any infectous diseases.
That reminds me
when I worked in a busy Supermarket as a trainee manager and was asked to review the sick book. One person was off for a couple of days with VD. I asked if this was not a little too much detail and was answered with "what's to be ashamed about vomiting and diarrhoea?".
Since ITN
is the name of the provider, "ITN News" is surely no less correct than "BBC News"?
IT News
doesn't have the same broad appeal to me.
Learnings
It's bad enough as it is but I swear I once saw it on a PowerPoint slide as "learning's". It was all I could do not to whimper aloud.
Learnings...
that made me think of 'internet service providings' from the fonejacker thingymebob..
A future project for Kayvan Novak perhaps.
On a similar theme...
I hate the use of the word 'takeaways' to mean the same thing.
Although that did mean we read a great post on our noticeboard recently which talked about some of our senior staff going to India where they brought 'some great takeaways' back with them...
P's popping
on the Spotify Premium ad.
New research suggests!
Most of the time it is twaddle!
"Time after time, studies have shown"
What studies were these? And when were they done?
They never have an answer to this. Largely because I am too meek and English to ask. Don't want to make anyone uncomfortable or (shudder) cause a scene.
It really bugs me when I buy
It really bugs me when I buy a newspaper and the shop either a) does not know how much it costs or b) cannot find the barcode. Come on, if you are a newsagent you should know how much each paper costs.
People who
put 'no?'at the end of a sentence are really annoying, no?
And things don't happen from the start or beginning any more, oh no - it's all from the 'get-go'. Damn you America!
Or
People who start a sentence with "So,..."
e.g "So, I met this chap and...."
That's me
I did it in my last blog entry. Just trying to make it sound like a coversation in the pub.
"and he turned round and said..."
"..For some reason I feel really dizzy.."
so I turned round and said "funny that so do I.."
In our house, it's known as a 'revolving conversation'
He turned around and said...
Then she turned around to him and said...
Finally, he turned right round to me and said...
Grumpy old men
I find this kind of moaning rather tiresome. Most of these annoyances will pass, given time. Take it on the chin!
Agreed,
this is the most trivial thing that still annoys me. I have a relative who is like this, constantly whinging about nothing much at all - people smoking outside buildings, blossom lying in the gutter, he listens to phone-in's and reads the Daily Mail.
You're right, most of these annoyances will pass in time - to be replaced by new ones.
Blokes who wear....
their football shirts when they're on holiday - knobheads!
Two from Me
Sentences without pronouns: see directly above for me breaking my own rule.
Invite used as a noun. Makes my teeth itch.
Me
"Me" is a pronoun, an object pronoun.
Civilian mike technique…
Why, oh, why do the likes of tube drivers, people who want to thank event organisers etc, insist on blowing into a microphone before they speak into it?
Why can't they go 'one-two one-two two-two' like proper musicians and that?
Oooh
I think this calls for a debate about the term 'civilian' - it's quite a popular one on here!
So...
Low Hanging Fruit doesn't mean piles, it allas snouds that way to me?
Football
People who say "infer"
when they mean "imply"
"focussed" is wrong but I think that's how MS Word wants it spelled, which is probably one of the reasons so many make that mistake.
nah -
I looked it up on the internet - so it must be true.
we're all going to hell in a handcart
and nothing's as good as it used to be
So, let's adopt a holistic approach and remember the key deliverables in term of client-centric customer inter-face solutions which are both platform agnostic and promote competitive advantage going forward
And you know what? Been a great session guys...
Bad use of our old friend the apostrophe
The original post is missing 2 apostrophes: "Maybe its just me but if you have similar foibles lets share and unburden them here... " The word "its" in this context means "it is" so the shortening should be indicated by an apostrophe: "Maybe it's me..." It's the same with "lets" in the same sentence...
Apostrophe's in plural's ...
... is one of my bugbears.
I was handing a letter from the school to my class yesterday and was appalled to see that it contained the plural "nettle's".
I used it as an opportunity to remind them that the correct use of the apostrophe is for omission and possession; I also wanted to demonstrate, lighting a single candle rather than cursing the darkness, that at least one person in the English education system cares about the English language.
Paninis...
panino - singular
panini - plural
paninis - double plural
Grrrrrr.
just an espresso , surely?
Sorry for being a scampo
Which reminds me...
...'espresso' is what it is.
Not 'expresso', please.
That's a good question...
but whilst I was living in Italy I never heard an Italian order an 'espresso'. They'd say 'un caffè' or 'due caffè'.
I wonder why that is?
You'd think they'd use the proper term since they invented the machine. How do they differentiate between all the different types of coffee when ordering?
By the way, I bought a domestic espresso maker last month. Fantastic! Before buying this, the only time I ever drank coffe was when abroad on holiday. Now it's a daily ritual.
coffees
The Italians are incredibly precise in ordering coffee. "Caffè" gets you an espresso, "macchiato" one with a dash of milk, "ristretto" if the normal one is too long, "lungo" probably needs no explanation. "Corretto" if you like a splash of the hard stuff in it. "Latte" will get you a glass of milk and an odd stare if you're older than 10.
and "cappucino"
a disdainful look - if ordered after about 11am
Mind you, they do live with their mums till they're 46
And 'caffè doppio'...
ordered by me around five times a day.
what's wrong with toasted sandwich
pannini roughly translated means why would I want to pay 4.50 for hot lettuce
Greek coffee
Offers few grounds for confusion (sorry) - generally ordered as just Sketo Metrio or Glyko (in ascending order of sweetness, and without any milk to confuse the issue). Not a trace of milk normally unless it's instant and/or iced.
Graphic designers or anyone else who thinks the greek Σ is an E get a big fat thumbs-down from me (probably the wrong gesture). Skipping over a few other issues about non-commonality of letters in the two language, GRΣΣK = GRSSK in Anglo/Greek hybrid-speak.
My Big Fat GRSSK Wedding doesn't make a lot of sense.
I had exactly this discussion with my Sicilian friend Giulia
only the other month. She reckons that, at home, they treat panini as the singular.
It's not 'right' but it's one of those quirks.
As an aside, she also uses the construct "a piece of spaghetti/ravioli" rather than "a spaghetto/raviolo"
I don't have a problem with using 'panini' as the singular...
but I do have a problem with the English adding an 's' on the end!
Get your panini here
Patrick, I was near Tate Modern today and I took this especially for your benefit:
Panino
How I wish, like graffiti/graffitus, the singular was paninus.
The singular of graffiti is
graffito
The singular of graffiti...
...I was always told, is graffitus. I must be wrong.
I think it's because
it's from the Italian 'graffire' rather than the Latin.
it's horrible
in all its forms especially in bristol art gallery
Focussed...
...is in my Chambers Dictionary as a genuine alternative. One of the joys of the English language is that it gleefully steals the best bits from other languages and that includes modern American. Embrace the changes... this ain't France y'know.
The reason....
...the Oxford and the Chambers *English* dictionaries contain American spellings is simply so they can sell copies to the American market.
And what's wrong with that?
Plus Chambers is the official Scrabble dictionary, so it's always handy to have an alternative.
English evolves and if that involves taking in words from American, Indian and Australian English then why not? A rigid language will eventually die. Just look at Latin.
Let's start with 'lieutenant' - where the hell did that 'f' come from? I heard a story that it all started when some General mistook the 'u' for a 'v' and no one under his command had the nerve to correct him. When it next comes up in conversation use the American pronunciation and see who notices. It'll be interesting to see if it's only military-types who still cling to it. Maybe if enough of us use it we can get the Army to officially change it? ;-)
I didn't say there was anything wrong with it.
I was just being cynical...to be honest.
Is it an American spelling?
I don't recall ever seeing it used in America and I was there for a pretty long time.
A Google search seems to turn up a lot more Australian uses of the spelling.
It's a Big Ask
grrrrrrr.....
People saying weary...
when they mean wary.
Also I wont mind if I never hear about establishing vertical beachheads and leveraging strategic advantage again.
The incorrect pronunciation....
...of the word "mischievous". Half the country says ”miss-CHEE-vee-uss” and not "“MISS-chuh-vuss".
Ah...
but which half are correct? :-)
"That's so random."
The irritating modern misuse of the word random. Dreadful.
"so"
Things that are just like, so.... so, so, well, like errrrrrrrrr.
yep -
the only accurate thing about it is that users use it randomly but always to describe things which aren't remotely random.
so words can't take on new meanings then?
not in my town,
pickle-boy.
Even though Robert Plant has often told us that...
(adopts Percy 'tea pot' pose)
"Don't you know sometimes words have two meanings?"
Lemon, for example...
as in the 'squeezed' variety.
Cheer up dudes - it's the weekend......
Innit !
The use of the word "piece" in business
For example "We need to focus on the recruitment piece".
Aaaaargh!
Absolutely!.....
...instead of yeah.
Seconded
But "absolutely" is not as bad as "without (a shadow of) a doubt".
But my principal hate is "organically", as used by the pretentious in phrases such as "it just kind of happened organically".
Maybe it's because I'm a scientist.....
People who 'spell' an ellipsis with more than three dots
as in the phrase "Maybe it's because I'm a scientist....."
:-)
obtuse
often used in reviews (in other mags I hasten to say)to mean "difficult" or "obscure" instead of "slow on the uptake".
Things....
....have been going downhill ever since bleeding heart liberals started encouraging snotty nosed working class urchins to read. Gave them ideas above their station. The country's been going to the dogs ever since.
Less
Apart from "Can I get....?" as mentioned above, my own favourite annoying trivia are;
People who use "less" when they should use "fewer", as in "there are less pedants in this blog than there used to be".
Davina McCall
My wife's most hated phrase is "across the piece". I swear she'll murder someone the next time she hears it in the office.
"With the greatest respect"
to start a sentance means that you feel everything the last person has just said is complete bollocks.
Just tell them straight!
really hate that
but I found myself using it the other day (i am still annoyed!)
Also get annoyed by the phrase "Back in the Day", and people who finish sentences with "And The Like"
Also the roadsgin for Slippery Road annoys me - there is no possible way the car can make those road markings
as you do
.
I used to have a girlfirend
Who used "bought" and "brought" the wrong way round so, obviously, she had to go.
I really dislike the use of "for free" when the speaker just means "free". As in "Subscribe to the Word and get the Beatles reissues for free." It's not "for free". It's "free".
Gosh. I was getting angrier and angrier tying that. Time for my medication.
Oh and pronouncing
the letter 'H' as "haitch".
Although, to be fair...
That's often as the result of a regional accent rather than a display of hignorance.
Here in North-East South Wales (or is it South-East Mid Wales) the 'haitch' thing is quite frequent, as in "The N Haitch S".
I had an English teacher
Who did that. I didn´t dare to correct her.
Or is it "that did that"?
Pedants
- and cars parked on pavements (or do I mean footpaths?)
"living the dream"
will usually make me reach for the AK-47.
The false apology
"I'm sorry but..." used by someone who is disagreeing with the previous speaker. David Frost once interrupted a big business spokeswoman after she'd done this for the umpteenth time with a terse "Not half as sorry as me". And double negatives - I can't take no more, colloquial English though it might be. Speak properly you lazy herberts. And why do football players and managers intone 'At this football club' when plain 'At this club' used to do nicely? And as for able-bodied people who park in Disabled spaces, people who park over two spaces, people who don't take their shopping trolleys back, people who don't bin their leavings in MacDonald's or rack their used plates in IKEA, don't start me off.
I`m with you Graham
I agree with all the things you have mentioned but, and its a big but, I used to get REALLY annoyed with able bodied people using disabled spaces as well until I was diagnosed with MS. I try not to judge people on first impressions any more as this illness can manifest itself in many ways that non-sufferers don`t understand. You can appear able bodied but are nowhere near that especially where fatigue is concerned. People still abuse the disabled parking though, that will never change. I`d swap the lazy persons parking for good health, as our American cousins say `in a heartbeat`.
Taken on board, gerry
My tendency to leap to judgement over such things is another irritation. I hope today's one of your good days.
See above
People who use ` instead of ' for an apostrophe. There it is, just to the right of the : and ; key.
Up to a point, Lord Johns
But I don't see why having paid McDonalds to eat without the use of cutlery or plates I am then expected to do my own clearing up. Would they like me to swab down the tables and sweep the floor as well?
I never thought I'd be defending McDonalds here
but I suppose the reason is because that is the operating model. If you don't agree, eat somewhere else rather than leave a mess for someone else to clear up. Now its a different issue if the bin is full to overflowing of course.
Not really any different from taking your empties back to the bar in the pub really which, I was taught, is the polite thing to do.
IKEA in Cardiff
have signs in their cafe explaining that by clearing the tables yourself, you enable them to save a few pence on the cost of each breakfast.
Stating the obvious really but I guess it helps to point it out.
The IKEA eating experience
always reminds me of Porridge (the sitcom rather than the breakfast). I expect to see Lenny Godber dolloping out meatballs one day.
I always take my glass back
In pubs. Not always in bars though.
All apologies
People in positions of authority have substituted "sorry" for "regret" as a word that sounds like an apology but it isn't really. If one is truly sorry, it should be stated clearly.
As an example of how to apologise sincerely and with dignity, Australian PM Kevin Rudd's speech in Parliament on February 13th 2008:
"We apologise for the laws and policies of successive parliaments and governments that have inflicted profound grief, suffering and loss on these our fellow Australians.
We apologise especially for the removal of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children from their families, their communities and their country.
For the pain, suffering and hurt of these stolen generations, their descendants and for their families left behind, we say sorry.
To the mothers and the fathers, the brothers and the sisters, for the breaking up of families and communities, we say sorry.
And for the indignity and degradation thus inflicted on a proud people and a proud culture, we say sorry.
We the parliament of Australia respectfully request that this apology be received in the spirit in which it is offered as part of the healing of the nation."
A cynic writes...
He carefully used the construct "for (blah) we say sorry" rather than the construct "for (blah) we are sorry"
The phrase "I say that I'm the editor of The Word" has a very different meaning to "I am the the editor of The Word".
(I heard Rudd's speech on the radio at the time and, all cynicism aside, was impressed with the sincerity with which he appeared to be reading it. Would that British politicians expressed themselves in the same way from time to time)
I'm sorry I'll say that again
As you point out, it would indeed be a very hardened cynic that would doubt Rudd's sincerity. The particular words used were to respond to the long-running campaign to simply get a PM to (specifically) *say* sorry. I suppose that it is taken as a given that if you say that you're sorry, particularly on something as important as this, you actually are sorry.
A given?
I wouldn't bank on *anything* being a given where politicians are concerned.
..if you know what I mean
At the end of a sentence is very annoying.
If I didn't then I would tell you.
I tends to be used by people that also end every other sentence with "innit"
God save us
blood pressure alert
*have to repost under my own sign-in not the spouse's*
blood pressure alert take 2
*And this is me*
Apostrophe's for plural's of word's - BUT NOT EVERY TIME. If you know not to use it for CDs, why do you then use it for DVD's????
People/politicians who try to defend utterly iniquitous behaviour with the excuse that it was within the rules or that they didn't know. Ignorance is no defence.
'There is' when it should be 'there are'
Cyclists who ride on the pavement and don't obey traffic signals.
People who, like, use like, in between, like, every other word.
Pointless new words - why create burglarised when we already have burgled or obligated when we have obliged?
Turning nouns into verbs, particularly in sport. We seem to have accepted the transformation of 'medal', a thing, into 'medalled', an action. "He'll be hoping to medal in this event". Aaaargh. Even worse is "He'll be hoping to podium". WTF?
I need a lie-down...
I medal, You medal, He/she/it medals - no we bloody don't!
I completely agree.
This abuse, coupled with "Team GB" etc, clearly points the finger of blame at the bastardisation (a word?) of our language at sport.
The other thing that sport commentators seem to do is pluralise things inappropriately e.g. "Arsenal will find it hard to win the Premiership this year with competition like your Liverpools, Chelseas and Man Uniteds".
Em
would you table a motion to outlaw turning nouns into verbs?
'What it is is' at the start of a sentance
always grinds my teeth.
Not keen on people pronouncing clique 'click' either.
Reminds me of a track by Annette Peacock
where the final verse begins:
"What it is is, this is what it is..."
"Have you received the letter
from ourselves to yourselves?"
"I was like"
Possibly the most awful mangling of the English language, ever.
Please.
I said.
or I felt.
Or something.
But not "I was like"
Gordon Ramsey
As inspired by the latest podcast (I feel he fits in this thread, he's quite trivial).
He can cook food really well; congratulations, have a badge. It doesn't give him the right to be rude and obnoxious to practically everyone he meets. If he weren't famous and he talked to people like that, he'd have been punched VERY HARD in the face by now.
Great line about him on HIGNFY this week
about the irony that he criticised a woman for looking like a pig when his face looks like crackling.
I saw it too
and it made me laugh out loud (in the traditional sense, rather than the indifferent lol sense).
(By the way, I think it was on 8 Out of 10 Cats rather than HIGNFY. I won't tell anyone you were watching it if you don't tell either)
It was actually on the news
quiz on the radio too! not sure which is recorded first
Rumbled.
Your quite correct sir. I like 8 out of 10 cats on the whole (despite Jimmy Carr's seal impression when he laughs). Was better with Dave Spikey on it though.
This is the woman in question getting in the last word
She's been on Aust TV for about 20 years. She's always seemed very sweet but she's not to be messed with she recently tore a misbehaving Rugby League player called Mathew Johns to pieces in an interview. I thought he was going to cry.
She's quite restrained in this I was expecting a fatwa.
I'm loving it
I'm hating it.
Trivial and annoying?
Ferne Cotton and Rufus Hound on the ITV2 Isle of Wight Festival coverage - jesus wept! Just who gives these people work?
Ferne Cotton - why does she exist?
What is the point of Ferne Cotton. Inane comments, trivial interviews and a complete waste of airtime.
Please tell me that these two are not part of the Glastonbury coverage this year.
No you can rest easy...i think?
Usual suspects, Jo Whiley, Marc Radcliffe, Zane Lowe etc
Jo Whiley and Zane Lowe...?
Please make them stop...
do you think
we'd like him more if he was called anything but Zane. Zane is some how wilful partiuclarly for someone so strangely earnest.
Massive
The use of the term 'Word Massive', I know it's meant to be ironic, but boy is it worn out - did Smashey & Nicey die in vain?
I propose
The Word Collective as a new name.
This is all getting a bit Radio 4 now.
We could start a whole new thread where sports men & women, pundits, broadcaster and journalists are concerned. I was at my daughters school prizegiving last week and the rector, yes the rector of the school sounded like an seasoned old sports hack in places during his annual report. I nearly laughed out loud when I heard that one promising young footballer had been `snapped up` instead of signed. Give me strength.
As a regular road user, I hate poor lane discipline at roundabouts.
I don`t get too hung up on poor grammar as I`m not educated enough to know better but poor spelling is another bugbear of mine.
Judging by some of the posts it is (not its) clear that there might be some health and safety professionals in the Word massive. Thats no bad thing, the world needs them. I`m sort of nearly one myself, you know. Pedants rule ok.
Feel free to correct any of my spelling and grammar, you know you want to.
Doh!
Now you're just trying to wind me up!!
How about "The Word Sect"
Sounds a bit Life of Brian (Hepworth, you're not the messiah, you're a very naughty boy - and you launched 'Heat' magazine!)
and R4
is bad?
or is typing R4 instead of Radio 4 worser?
With the greatest of respect it is, like, much worser, innit
Escalators
More specifically those people who get to the top (or bottom) and stop to look around to see where they want to go rather than walking a few steps away then looking around; especially those with wimp wheels - ie laptops with wheels and and a handle that fully able bodied people pull around behind them.
People who get to ticket barriers and then stand there blocking the way while they search for their ticket.
So it's agreed then
"Hell is other people"? Sounds like a good idea for a play.
Harley Davidsons...
...outside of America.
Especially when worn with the jacket. Fortunately I have a button in my car that turns them instantly into vapour.
...and a bandana completes the picture?
Nothing says "I am a knob" more.
Only my opinion, of course,
but I find that personalised number plates get across the "I am a knob" message more efficiently than anything else.
By the way, Austin, entirely off message, but ITFC's 1978 FA Cup win was referred to in the Archers at lunchtime today. (At a reunion a character - Neil Carter, if that means anything to you on the other side of the world - had collected the winnings from a bet on the result, thirty-one years after the event.) Gave me a warm glow of nostalgia, and had me wondering what the coming season will bring under the new regime.
Personalised plates
add fiscal stupidity to the knob element. Why oh why would you ever part with cash to have a number plate that only members of your immediate family get?
Prefixed with TWAT
When I become Prime Minister all such number plates will be prefixed by TWAT_.
Doesn't the PMs car have a 'dateless' plate
so no-one can see how old his car is?
I have been thinking about that. This is what I came up with.
Personalised plates will probably hold their value better than the car they are attached to. They do not give away the region you're from, which may be a consideration if you follow a football team around the country. They are easier to remember.
I know of three people with personalised plates on their cars. In all cases the plates were bought for them as a gift. The owners have come to think of them as a bit of fun.
Given that we always notice them, I wonder if cars with personalised plates are less likely to be taken without the owner's consent?
If anyone reading this has the initials BPF and fond memories of New York in 2005 I might be prepared to let my plates go for the right price. Perhaps that's how it starts.
What a great thing!
Thanks for sharing that, Nigel. Anything that keeps Ipswich's profile up there is fine by me. Do bookies keep these things open indefinitely then? I suppose they wouldn't have added any interest onto the winnings (sorry, stupid question).
I am of course expecting a confident, effortless canter into the Premier League next season thanks to Keano. But once we get there, will we be the cannon fodder that we were in the 90s?. Still smarting from the 9-0 at Old Trafford, if truth be told - even though ALL of Andrew Cole's 5 goals were offside.
What I know about bookies
could be engraved in letters the size of my hand on the head of a pin. The bet was with a friend who'd moved away. (Though Neil's wife, the 'lovely' Susan - most annoying woman in Ambridge? - did ask about the interest. Neil, who really deserves better, remarked that it was good of his mate to remember a debt he'd forgotten.)
As for next season, I wouldn't care to be a player exhibiting Town's typical lack of focus of recent years with the new manager at the helm. I'm rather excited at the possibility of seeing a more consistently purposeful team enjoying the success some of our football might have merited. Maybe not in 08/09, but in recent seasons the number of opposing managers who'd say "They're the best team we've met this year", after coming back to claim a draw, became somewhat tedious.
Thanks, by the way, for the reminder of that Old Trafford drubbing. It had almost slipped my mind...
Ipswich 1 Arsenal 0
Ah, the 1978 FA Cup Final, I remember it well (that's a complete lie, I was born in 1986).
Just a thought, is Roger Osbourne the only player in history to have to be substituted because he was so overcome with emotion?
Anyway, fixture list for 09/10 out today, no local derbies to look forward to but I think Roy Keane could well be the kick up the backside the team needs. For as long as I can remember, Ipswich have knocked the ball about sideways like they're 3-0 up regardless of the score.
Oh, sorry, back on topic. What REALLY annoys me in people on trains or tubes who sit in the aisle seat and leave the window seat free so anybody wanting a seat has to clamber over them. It's particularly bad on the Bakerloo line in the mornings.
OK, that's three of us
Now where's skirky?
Make that four.
Come on you BLUE BOYS!
And 5 - if only it was 1978-81 again!
God, yes!
Oh, my Beattie, Mühren and Thijssen of long ago - the three finest players ever to wear an Ipswich shirt?
It was bound to go downhill once Robson got the England job. As it was with Ramsey, for that matter, though that was before I was old enough to have seen the (blue) light....
Pet hate?
People who drive 60-70 km/h on Söderleden, Växjö, Sweden when the signs CLEARLY say 90. This annoys me almost daily. Overtaking is impossible, the whole drive is basically one long turn. :(
I had to look up overtaking. Didn´t know the English word for this until now. I´m sure you all know it´s "omkörning" in Swedish.
Du måste
vara försiktig med älg.
Alla älgar
håller 90.
:-)
.
you sveedish gyce are soo crayschee!
Like so Random?
LOL
L8R
That's Dutch
isn't it? Schteve Maclaren schtyle.
yesh - I'm sheev mcclaren
Lorries doing 60 on the motorway...
being overtaken by lorries doing 61
They are all limited to 56mph I think
So it's even worse than you describe
Motorways not too bad
as there is the third lane which they are not allowed in. Its when they do it on dual carriageways that I really hate (particularly the A34 between the M4 and the M40).
Not in my experience
This is the only time your typical middle lane driver will shift out of the middle lane. Do they put their foot down and get past quickly? No suddenly they decide they have to abide by the rules of the road and won't exceed 70 resulting in the overtaking lane getting a tail back stretching half a mile or more back.
For 'rules of the road' read 'law'
OK
The law.
I have from time to time driven on the inside lane at 70 mph, thus within the law and been the slowest thing on the motorway, until the next middle lane driver was caught up with.
A34
Spot on. I live near Abingdon and regularly suffer this fate
So did I
It's not the only reason I moved, but avoiding the A34 was farily high on the list
As someone who gets so much business speak thrown at him
Can I add "passionate"?
I'm passionate about this, I have a passion for that.
It does my head in.
Apart from this, life is pretty dandy at present.
I'd rather no-one..
...ever gives me a "heads-up".
A word of warning should suffice.
Or sage advice if you will.
You can even tip me the wink.
Thanks.
Can I give you a
"Big Shout Out" or a "Big Up" though?
What about if its
FYI?
Yo, dude!
People who call everyone ‘dude’ (pronounced ‘dood’). Just about acceptable in a 19-year-old Californian surfer: less so in a thirtysomething office worker from Bolton.
what about
a 50 year old Trad Goth from Glasgow
eh, Dude?
A Trad Goth?
Is that a Goth who wears a stripy weskit, bowler hat and plays "Oh When The Saints..." on a clarinet?
Could be, could be
what I really mean is one who doesn't dress up and go to Whitby Weekends or listens to what passes itself off as Goth these days, the type who's life was changed by that Sisters performance on OGWT back in '85. It's a much maligned music genre that I hope will someday be rehabilitated in much the same way progressive rock has.
BTW: a lot of 'trad goths' are well into VDGG and early Genesis
sisters?
Beverley or Andrews? Always had a soft spot for the Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy of Company B, myself - maybe that's TMI!! Lolz.
Andrew's
Sisters ;D
although I do have a live version of them doing Bei Mir Bist Du Schön, honest!
Goth Trad, anyone?
Never mind Trad Goth, I reckon Goth Trad could be a fantastic new crossover genre: gnarled old blokes in the aforementioned waistcoats and bowlers playing ‘A forest’ and ‘Bela Lugosi’s dead’ on clarinets, trumbones and tubas. I’d pay to watch that!
only if
I can play bass...
Sorry if already mentioned
it's a long thread and I had to butt in before I got to the end.
People who use loose instead of lose, draw instead of drawer, sikth instaed of sixth, of instead of have, 110%, ten items or less, can i get..., people who "fess up".
Wnakers the lot of em.
Wnakers
"...in earnest"
My current pet hate is the overuse of the phrase "in earnest" by TV journalists when describing current events e.g. "..and the search for the killer starts tonight in earnest"
Why
would they look in Earnest for the kller? Surely he would be in some hideout somewhere?
Principle and Principal
My particular bete noire. It seems particularly prevalent in job adverts, where they ask for a 'Principle Scientific Officer' or suchlike.
On which point...why is it that those who design recruitment websites follow this kind of logic:
'OK, so where do most people log into recruitment websites?'
'At work, of course, when they get cheesed off with their current jobs'
'Right, so they want to be able to discreetly look for new positions at their desks during lunchtime? So let's furnish our website in the brightest flashing primary colours so their workmates can see what they are doing from about half a mile away. And also, let's put in some slow-loading animation so that when they quickly scroll down to avoid the banner-sized title, it automatically jumps back to the top again! That would be good.'
Final word...?
"At the end of the day"
Grrrrrrr.
Politicians with black felt-tip pens
Don't you just hate it when politicians submit expenses with big black felt-tip pen marks over everything? But there's something really wonderful happening at The Guardian this morning. You (that's you) actually get to scan the documents. They need help - there are about 20,000 pages to go. Get over there! http://www.guardian.co.uk
Extreme prejudice
It's extremely anoying that 'extremely' is now preferred over 'very' or 'quite' or 'a tad'
Apocalypse Now!
that's where they get that one
Ducks In a Row
Most of the horror stories of strangled English mentioned here can be found in the book "Ducks In A Row - An A-Z of Offlish" - the definitive guide to Office English by Carl Newbrook, published by Short Books (ISBN 1-904977-35-9). Published in 2005, it is, however, already in need of revision. However, it's still worth reading.
Ducks In A Row is of course one of the culprits. Newbook gives the example of its usage: " = phrase: preparedness; show of unity as in "Guys, we really need to get our ducks in a row on this one". It is likely, adds Newbrook, "that they will go on to suggest that they must be "on the same page", "with all the boxes ticked", and, most importantly be "singing from the same hymn sheet".
While I'm about it, here are a few of my other pet hates:
"I'm good" (in reply to "How are you?")
Impacting on
Incentivise
Innit
I see where you're coming from
Issues (for problems)
It's not rocket science
Kids (for children)
Left-field
Please RSVP
Pushing the envelope
Ramp up
Stakeholder
Tasking
Bigging up
Early doors
Empowering
Fallen pregnant
First up
Going forward
Government money (it's ours)
The elephant in the room
Contact phone number
.... the list is bloody endless!
There's something similar...
....by the newsreader John Humphreys. "Lost For Words" I think it's called.
It goes on about the English language being strangled by politicians, the media, beaurocrats etc. He just wants plain understandable English. He's not too bothered about perfect grammar, but neither does he want to see it ruined. Very enjoyable book if you like this kind of stuff.
"Shoot The Puppy" by Tony Thorne is another jargon primer.
There's a lot of flimflammery out there. As Charlie Brooker pointed out on Screenwipe, when advertisers say that a face cream helps to reduce wrinkles the word "helps" sounds wonderful but promises nothing. Stamping on the pavement helps flatten the surface of the Earth. Other purveyors of empty promises have studied the advertisers' techniques. I can get through entire days without hearing a straight word from anyone.
Personally, I always translate 'I'm not being funny but' into 'Whatever you just said, forget it'. It amazes me that those people who use the same expressions to fob us off do not realise that most of us have long cracked the code.
"Boss, we've got a problem"
"Now, Sheev - you know I like to see problems as opportunties"
"Ok - the opportunity is our biggest account has just walked leaving a £10m hole in revenues"
"Fuck me - why the hell didn't you tell me there was a problem!"
"I,..."
I do like Sir Melvyn of Barg's programme
it means I can listen to a Word podcast, I find it interminably boring and one of the few 'drivetime' shows I avoid
Drivetime?
Isn't it on from 10-11?
9-9:45
I believe and that's my 'drivetime' to work
the term 'drivetime' annoys me
Ah... yes... you could be right.
My excuse is that I usually listen via podcast due to my almost-non-existent Radio 4 reception.
Half-witted Pronouncements Regarding Educational Policy
A spokesman, whose official significance isn't clear, announces that schools are going to stop teaching the "i before e except after c" rule because there are so many exceptions that it's practically meaningless. That's because he knows only half the rule: it applies when the word rhymes with "key", with two exceptions. That's not too much to learn, surely.
I am annoyed by the suggestion that teaching in the olden days consisted of meaningless maxims and long lists to be learned by rote. My 1951 book on good English sums up the rule in four lines. It would fill a couple of Tweets.
Then the policy is reported by journalists who make their living using words. Not one of them points out the error. Perhaps they feel that they ought not get too involved.
I think of it as Operation Drawbridge. "We've got our education and we're doing rather nicely. We'd like our children to do rather nicely too. We can provide them with an education better than our own. Still, it doesn't hurt to thin out the competition when we can." In my experience the competition can't get enough of authority figures ordering them to learn less. It's funny. They usually lap up a conspiracy theory.
language evolves
so do we, handle it Dude
You'll love the pages of text messages in the Daily Star, then.
Yet their journalists continue to use the formal spellings. I suppose it means that readers of all ages and regional dialects can understand them. Many employers expect job applications to be free from spelling mistakes. I bet the teachers are really strict about it in the fee-paying schools.
Here's the rule as G. H. Vallins explained it in 1951: "The familiar rule 'i before e except after c' is valid only when the ie or ei is pronounced ee. There are only two exceptions - weird and seize. Such words as leisure, their, counterfeit, forfeit, heir, in which the ei is not pronounced ee, do not come under the rule. It is worth while remembering that in all of them the e precedes the i."
That's it. That's all.
George Vallins agrees with you, actually, James. "But the real way, strange as it may seem, may be back to the spontaneous, phonetic spelling used by Chaucer, Spenser, Shakespeare and Milton, before (in the words of Bernard Shaw) we became 'entangled in the absurd etymological bad spelling' of Doctor Johnson. Then, provided we make our symbols represent the sound, we shall be at liberty to spell as we please: receive, recieve, receave and receeve will all be equally correct. We shall have the noble freedom of the men of old - a freedom that was lost for English by the lexicographers of nearly two centuries ago."
Just don't do it in any important, written examinations or you'll lose marks.
I find that having a standardised system of spelling means that I can read most things quickly and easily. I think that having a selection of spellings for most words would make reading a little more laborious and increases the possibility of misinterpretation. The nation might even become divisive about it: different belief systems could promote their own preferred spellings. Perhaps, between generations, it already has.
Spellings will change. I think the biggest agent of change will be Microsoft's spell-check function, with its American English default setting.
It's a pity mathematics cannot become more like English. All those one-and-only-correct-answers really hinder its popularity. "I see, class, that the majority of you are under the impression that 7 times 8 equals 54. So 54 it is then!"
I'm also annoyed by politicians who instruct adults to do their own cooking but do nothing about keeping Imperial measurements on packaging. Most people over forty are forced into a maths test each time they want to follow a recipe. They could go to night school after their day's work but, for some reason, they prefer ready meals to ready reckoners.
I am sure that humans have got a bit taller and live a bit longer but you'll have to tell me how we have evolved morally.
Whereas "Fundamental English", T. Downes, 1968
has no time for free-thinking, post-war sentiment. "First and foremost, anyone who is a poor speller should not just say, 'I shall never be able to spell', and leave it at that. This is a sign of a slipshod, idle mind, yet some people use such a phrase as an indication of their being superior to such a mundane necessity." That's from a G.C.E. examiner in an O-level course summary. Abuse is quite rare in study guides these days.
You can map out the popular pedagogy of the period by reading study guides. One of the purposes of education is to provide tomorrow's workforce. (Employers used to be very vocal about it. It appears that some UK businesses have given up asking the education system to provide the sort of employee they would like and have taken to importing staff from abroad.) There must have been a shortage of decent typists in the late 1960s. In the early 1950s Vallins was hoping to encourage the inventive types.
Hundreds of words on a minor spelling rule. I like to think that I've met the brief of the thread.
Toilets
In Luton airport the door signs say "Male Toilets" and "Female Toilets". No, no, no -- neither rooms nor porcelain bowls have a sex, pillocks. They're "Men's" and "Women's" if they're anything.
Oh, and pass the Xanax.
One could argue that a urinal
is a male toilet
Aha
I realise I haven't made my point clear, which is that only things with a sex -- animals, in other words -- can be male or female. A toilet can be *for* males or females, but can't be male or female in itself. So there's no such thing as a "Male Toilet". "Men's", maybe.
Though I may be the only person on earth that this infuriates... :(
Mmm...
but *maybe* in the world of toilet hardware, a urinal *is* male. after all, it wouldn't be in the gents loo otherwise, would it? :-)
Mind you, the Gate House pub in Monmouth has *this* urinal in the gents...
But...
Is a pig pen not a pen for pigs?
Yes it is
But then "pig" is a noun, not an adjective. It doesn't modify the word "pen" the way "male" modifies "toilet" in "Male Toilet".
A "porcine pen" it is not, right?
Quite
But Male is also a noun, as well as being an adjective. Check the OED or Chambers.
Of course
But it just doesn't read that way to me on those signs at Luton. I guess I'm in a minority there, though. Argh.
Why even court ambiguity? Just use "Men" or "Women", Luton Airport, like everyone else!
Sorry
I don't see any ambiguity.
I guess it's just usage
The ambiguity I meant was "Male": noun or adjective? For me, it leaps out as an adjective - hence my problem with it. For you, it's an unproblematic noun.
I guess it's just the usage one's used to.
Fraser - good to have you back -
and on such feisty form
Quick one - no yellow flags on continuing Jacko debate - must be a few left over from Glastonbury...
I'm with you
I understand what you're getting at.
To go off at a tangent from that, I get irritated by the prissiness of substituting gender for sex.
Opening a whole new can of worms here, but I'm not the only person who contends that Sex is a biological definition (so if you're filling in an application form if should ask for Sex not Gender) and Gender is a sociological construct - hence university courses on Gender Studies.
Who would have thought an extra "s" in would lead to all this
Carry on...
My most biggest bugbear
is 'most biggest'.
Strangely enough
I've never heard anyone say this, nor seen it written down. Is it a regional thing?
I'm not sure.
Certainly you would hear it a lot in Essex and London, but I've heard in the East Midlands where I now live, and I'm sure it's the kind of thing that pops up on vox-pops on TV quite a lot.
It's the most ugliest thing I've ever heard. (I want to punch myself even as I write it ironically)
"More clearer"
Mandelson dixit, only yesterday.
That's
much more better.
"More betterest"
you ignoraumus!
My new
bestest friend.
I'm pretty sure
the "famous" session musician whose obituary is in the latest issue of THE WORD is named Larry Knechtel.
(Not Knetchel)
Call that an advert for the BBC?
I was mildly irritated by Radio 2 yesterday when that lawyer/judge woman who wrote ‘Ugly’ and then was taken to court by her mother for libel complained that she was having trouble trying to ‘recuperate’ her costs, but then this morning Michael Ball did a trailer for his weekend show in which he says that Sundays are all about being able to ‘recoup’.
Just before I hit the 'off' button I heard Wogan say "...no mention there of going to church?"
...
The Daily Mail
Why is everything ...
... an "issue" these days? Whatever happened to "problem", "difficulty", "enquiry", "complaint" etc? We have a rich lexicon - let's use it.
I'm in complete agreement
I put it down to a mealy mouthed attitude. No one wants to say something is a problem. Issue is vague and I uess suitably bureaucratic.
Lazy adjectives
A company in its press release is always "delighted".
A volley from 20 yards is always "stunning". As is a new album when advertised on the telly.
I think these words have been worn out, and we need new ones.
The current trend by food companies...
to use the word "Company" in their branding (e.g.): The Cornish Pasty Company, The Real Food Company, etc..