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The podcast panel has been applying itself to a few serious questions this week. The first is - could this be the greatest entrance in the history of television?


The second one is - is it ever acceptable to make your excuses and leave when somebody gets out a karaoke machine?
The third is - is is still OK to like Phil Spector records without liking him?
And which is best - Susan Boyle or Mark Ellen's impression of the entire "Britain's Got Talent" pantomime - with hand gestures?
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[cough]...

... that was me who posted the O'Toole clip.

*Nearly* got a mention on the Podcast. Must try harder!

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Nicodemus | 21 April 2009 - 1:31pm

And what about the greatest

And what about the greatest EXIT from a talk show? My personal favourite is this


It's a German talk show from 1971 about commercialism in pop music, and the gentleman smashing the table (with an axe he had smuggled into the TV station) is from krautrock legends "Ton Steine Scherben". The broadcast was stopped immediately - the last image before the screen went black was the guy nicking the microphones.

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Mychael | 22 April 2009 - 11:15am

What a rubbish axe...

he'd have done more damage if he'd sat on the table.

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Patrick Crowther | 22 April 2009 - 11:20am

I hope I can still get my Phil

I hope it´s still OK to like Phil Spector´s music. If I can still listen to Stalin Sings Gershwin - after what Gershwin did - I can certainly still enjoy Be My Baby and You´ve Lost That Loving Feeling. Altough it feels different, just like it feels different listening to the music of someone who just passed away.

Listening to All Things Must Pass felt different when George Harrison past, but feels the same now - if anyone is wondering.

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Ola Claesson | 21 April 2009 - 2:52pm

Enjoyed it ...

... but it sounded like Fraser was in another room or possibly another building.

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dai | 21 April 2009 - 6:17pm

That was my fault

Started off OK, finished OK, but I was a bit distant in the middle.

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Fraser Lewry | 21 April 2009 - 6:46pm

"A bit distant..."

So distant that as I was listening this morning on my way to work in sunny Brisbane, I assumed that the reason I couldn't hear you was that you were whispering at me from England and the string between the tin cans had got wet.

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Old_Nick | 23 April 2009 - 3:16am

Ahem...

Another belting Clement Freud gag posted last week. Not in front of the children...

http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/content/the-late-great-sir-clement-freud

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Richie B | 21 April 2009 - 6:19pm

quis ego operor ignoro?

Heptus Davidus

Above - Latin quote for your web motto: What do I not know?

Googled it - so may well be bollux primaris - as we Latin scholars say

But as you point out -

Quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur

"whatever has been said in Latin seems deep"

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Sheev | 21 April 2009 - 6:35pm

Clement Freud

Whenever we have custard with my parents present my father mentions how Clement Freud came up with a recipe for making custard (using Bird's tinned powder) so that you just got the skin because for many the skin is the best bit. He was a bit of an alternative TV chef at one time - Clement Freud that is, not my father.

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Sven Garlic | 21 April 2009 - 7:01pm

Lerman, O'Toole + Camel

If I remember correctly the O'Toole entrance was from a week of shows which Letterman recorded in Britain in '95 or '96.

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Gatz | 21 April 2009 - 8:37pm

Lights, camel, action

The O'Toole clip is from 1995, but it was only put on YouTube very recently - about a month ago - and I'd searched everywhere else on the web for it before that (http://tinyurl.com/cezftb). Thanks again, Nicodemus!

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Nick White | 21 April 2009 - 8:40pm

Why the fuss about him smoking?

He was only lighting up a camel after all

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Molesworth | 21 April 2009 - 9:11pm

Cheers Nick W...

... one night I just remembered hearing the story and searched the words "Peter O'Toole", "Camel", "Letterman" in youtube.com and hit pay-dirt. Put it on my blog then thought I should put it up here.

Just glad The WORD hierarchy enjoyed it so much.

Hey, it feels good to give something back.

Peace Out.

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Nicodemus | 22 April 2009 - 11:15pm

O'Toole

It is in this interview that he talks about him and Richard Harris and their frolics, he says "It's a very Joycean word, it starts with an F and ends in rolic. Stayed with me all that time.

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PaddyH | 22 April 2009 - 4:45pm

Pretending to be a top athlete

One of my favourite adverts was a photo of an empty coke can. The tag line was 'do you see litter or the chance to do a Roberto Carlos?'
I think that sums it up nicely.

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uproar13 | 22 April 2009 - 8:22pm

The Dan,really?

Mark's casual inclusion of the Dan in the list of youthful offenders was a bit of a jaw dropper. Really or just in song?

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spodify | 23 April 2009 - 9:10am

Disconcerted similarly

when I caught that throw away - but I think the reference was to Walter Becker's girlfriend who died of a drug overdose at his apartment. Around the time of Gaucho. Her mother sued him for causing wrongful death. The case went to court but Becker found innocent. He was run over by a car shortly after. Not a happy time.

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Sheev | 23 April 2009 - 9:39am

I seem to remember that

the girlfriend in question was underage - or am I getting confused?

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stimpy | 27 April 2009 - 4:36pm

Karaoke

Great podcast -as ever.

I find it hard to resist a karaoke machine although I've never "done it" in my home town; it's been mainly on holiday (in France where the choices in English are the Beatles or the Beatles) or when I was on OU summer schools.

My favourite experience at this was in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee two years ago today. A group of us were all celebrating our fiftieth birthdays by travelling on a blues and country trip (how very Word) and we pitched up in Pigeon Forge to go to Dollywood (which turned out to be closed that day). We went to a bar/micro brewery and they had a karaoke evening going on. It was the eve of my fiftieth birthday (though as we were around 5 hours behind GMT I like to think of it as being on my birthday) so I had a go and gave what I thought was a reasonable version of Elton John's "Your song".

But I was blown away by just about every other performer there. They were all staggeringly good, both young and old took part and they mainly stuck to the country repertoire.

I think this highlights the difference between karaoke here and my experience abroad. Here it is something you do when drunk, often in groups of lads or lasses, and you do really quite badly - out of tune, out of time and the object is to "have a laugh". While this is very amusing for those taking part, it's excrutiating for people to listen to. In the USA (or at least in that bar) and in France it's an opportunity to show you can sing and to entertain.

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Thomas the Rhymer | 23 April 2009 - 9:57am

Double standards

I agree with Mark's observation about double standards (Chris Moyles's homophobic remarks).

I was surprised last night during "The Apprentice - You're Fired" when one of the panel in describing the candidate Noorul, said something like "Neurophen or whatever his name is". Now I wasn't shocked or offended but that has to be equivalent to Jane Goody calling Shilpa "Shilpa Poppadom" which ended in an international incident.

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kb | 23 April 2009 - 5:31pm

Great Podcast...

... is Mark Ellen still talking about Henry VIII ?

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Roy Levy | 23 April 2009 - 9:59pm

Karaoke Altogether Now

We'd been invited to stay for the weekend. They lived halfway between Birmingham and Manchester, so we headed up from West London on Friday afternoon. After a few drinks and dinner, they said they were having a party the following evening. Great, we said, we like a party.

We pitched in with preparations on Saturday morning, and then this bloke turned up. In a van. He started unloading something. Some big speakers came out first. A live band, eh? Great. Can't beat a bit of live music. Who is it?

"It's a karaoke machine," said Esther, the hostess."And by the way, he wants cash and we haven't got any on us, so can you give him £80? We'll pay you back on Sunday." I was too horrified to protest.

The anticipation during the afternoon was almost too much to bear, and I felt like I imagine a hunted animal feels when it's finally been cornered by the pack of slavering hounds. My wife, Sandra, felt much the same, so at least we had the beginnings of a resistance movement.

Soon the evil system was in place and malevolently operational. It flickered and pulsed like a Dark Star, drawing all towards their fate. Trevor, the host, and Esther used the time to rehearse. Trevor took as long as it takes for everyone else to get a migraine to weigh up his choices, but eventually decided that a studiedly casual rendition of Love on the Rocks would suit. Esther ran through Mustang Sally quite a few times before she was happy with her performance. Which was just about as soon as we began to appreciate the concept of having a real and distinct pain threshold.

Later, Trevor's attempt to import a touch of world-weary American cool into the proceedings soon had Love on the Rocks screaming for mercy and making a doomed break for freedom from the hard and unfamiliar ground of The Potteries. The feedback on Esther's Mustang Sally was quite good, really. Although in hindsight it is unfortunate that this information was fed back to the singer, who took it as an invitation to thrash Mustang Sally to within an inch of her life every half-an-hour or so, until the poor cow begged for mercy and I was considering whether pouring a pint into the back of it might disable this construct of Beelzebub.

A man came round with a book of song titles and a box containing some slips of paper. I waved him away, but Trevor sprang into view and spoke;

"Everyone has to do a song, and if they don't, then they have to pay a forfeit. If you're not doing a song then choose a forfeit."

He pushed the box at me and I took a slip of paper, rolled it into a ball and flicked it away, while offering some advice about where the forfeit box might end up. Providing a karaoke machine hadn't been inserted there first.

And when I thought my toes could curl no more - could only curl up and die with the rest of me - our hostesses new performance consisted of leading the assembly through Roy 'Chubby' Brown's rendition of Living Next Door To Alice. You can imagine, I'm sure.

The real sod of it all was that, having been relieved of all of my folding earlier in the day, we didn't have the money to slope off to the pub. At the buffet, Sandra and I had a brief and ultimately fruitless discussion about whether it was possible to enter into a suicide pact with but a cheese knife to achieve one's end, and as all that was left to drink was the dreadful Boddingtons, we made our excuses and left.

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Philip Bryer | 25 April 2009 - 7:49pm

hmph

'halfway between Birmingham and Manchester','dreadful Boddingtons' - you, Sir, are a snob. Please refrain from leaving *West* London ever again. Thank you.

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badartdog | 25 April 2009 - 8:19pm

Hello Humph

Well, no slight or offence intended, old chap. Sorry if that's how it was taken.

In my defence:

1. I was vague about the location for the same reasons of discretion that I changed the names of those involved. I have a lot of time for the area in question and for the people who live there.

2. I left West London for good some years ago.

3. I don't like Boddingtons, in the same way that I don't like eggs. But I've never been accused of looking down on a chicken.

4. I'm originally from Yorkshire.

5. Going back to Boddingtons. It really is dreadful.

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Philip Bryer | 26 April 2009 - 1:16pm

Damn-

I was hoping I could get all Maconie on your southern arse - but yr a tyke - same as me. Apologies for j to the wrong c.

Humph.

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badartdog | 26 April 2009 - 4:52pm

No problem...

Good lad (like my old man used to say, but not very often).

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Philip Bryer | 27 April 2009 - 12:17pm

Eh up

After you with the whippet.

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David Hepworth | 27 April 2009 - 4:31pm

Taiwan's got talent (for choosing better songs than we do)

Why don't we get New Order songs performed on our talent shows?
This isn't earth-shattering, but it is quite sweet - it's from the Taiwanese X Factor:


(Link found in the Guardian Guide).

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Nick White | 26 April 2009 - 3:36pm

A New Order theme night

That would make a change from the 'themes' X-Factor uses that return each year with the tired predictability of an unloved season. (Thank you Moonraker)

Instead of enduring the usual Michael Jackson, Abba, '60's, Vegas et al nights - wherein each song is denuded of whatever it was that made it appealling, reduced down to an easy to digest two minutes and invariably 'garnished' with an inappropriate gospel choir - rather than all that we could have the aforementioned New Order night, maybe a show with a Pet Shop Boys theme or a Joni Mitchell show?

Or even - dare I say it - a heavy metal night? Or prog? The possibilities are endless!

But no - they will stick, with a Mike Love-like resolve, to the tried and tested formula. Reheating the thin gruel over and over again.

Honestly though - is there a reason why the song choice on British X -Factor is so humdrum? I'm think maybe permissions from song-writers or publishers?

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Stephen Dowell | 26 April 2009 - 4:27pm

not watched it for a couple of series

but i was always struck by the fact the auditions in the early rounds would consist of all the obvious usual 'standards' - Whitney, Maria, Diamanda* - whilst the footage of the crowds queueing, waiting, gurning etc would be accompanied by the lively guitar pop of the day.

*not really.

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badartdog | 26 April 2009 - 4:49pm

In a parallel universe...

"In the next act on tonight's programme based on the hits of The Birthday Party, Susan Boyle will perform The Friend Catcher. Go Susan!"

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Nick White | 26 April 2009 - 4:54pm

Don't they all have to sing material

on which Simon Cowell has points?

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stimpy | 27 April 2009 - 4:43pm

In his defence

No.

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David Hepworth | 27 April 2009 - 5:08pm

They were probably

Being Frente! rather than New Order. Both equally lovely.

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Beany | 26 April 2009 - 9:47pm
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