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It's the spirit of 1928 show - with CW Stoneking

Jungle Blues is a big office favourite at the moment. Made by CW Stoneking, an Australian-American who seems to channel the music of great American primitives like Jimmie Rodgers and Blind Blake to weave complex, funny stories of encounters with lions and periods spent in clink. He's playing up and down the country for the next couple of weeks and, if you like this kind of thing at all, you're strongly advised to see him. He's at Brixton Windmill tonight (Friday). You can find details of his other shows and links to buy tickets on My Space. Straight off the plane he popped in the office to play and talk to Mark Ellen, David Hepworth and Fraser Lewry.
Fraser also reports back from his pilgrimage to the Guca Festival in Serbia. You can find out more about this extraordinary 800,000 capacity event in a programme called "Serbian Trumpets", which is on Radio Four at 1.30pm this coming Tuesday.
Finally we talk to concert industry watcher James Drury about the likelihood of the UK live business experiencing a meltdown such as has apparently occurred in America this summer with major acts pulling out of tours and ticket prices going down for the first time in living memory. James's piece "Has The Live Boom Bust?" is in the September issue of the magazine.
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I'll be honest and admit that...
I was initially slightly suspicious of CW Stoneking and his "time wormhole". I was expecting to hear another artist in thrall to the past but not doing as good a job as the originals. But by the end of his appearance on the podcast I was won over. He's good, isn't he?!
I think I may have to search out his album tomorrow whilst I'm on my lunch break...
Edit: Either I've unknowingly ingested un soupçon of the old lysergic acid diethylamide, or you've done something darn clever with that photo. Nice work...
That photo
It's the spirit of 1928 at work.
CW Stoneking @ Brixton's Windmill
That was a very special gig.
Lovely podcast
it helped drown out some tedious* QPR fans on the train back south yesterday evening.
* is there any other kind.
talking lion blues
not often you hear a song as a story and are listening to hear how it turns out
and,like the podcast team, have a chuckle at the end
good one
Well
he's just sold a CD
Can I be the lone voice of dissent?...
I've come across C.W. a few times, even shared a few festival bills with him, and to be honest he sets my bullshit detector twitching more than anyone in recent years.
There's nothing wrong with having a schtick, nothing wrong with sounding like a bloke on an old scratched record from the twenties, but the whole thing screams of artifice to me...and what's with all the stuff about Africa?..gimme a break.
No you can't be the lone voice
I have issues with him too.
No way would I choose to listen to his music, but hey, each to their own.
I love lone voices of dissent!
So thank you Shane.
Personally, I'm still on the fence with CW. There was a concert on BBC4 during the summer, called something like "Hollers and Stomps"? It was presented by Seasick Steve, and was at the Barbican or somewhere. Anyway, CW was the standout act for me in that concert. I could see the artifice, but I didn't care much because he was such a good performer. I made a mental note to look him up (but never followed it up!).
Anyway, his name now keeps cropping up everywhere, but I'm just not sure any more. I think his novelty wears off fairly quickly once you get over the thrill of hearing him for the first time. A bit like Seasick Steve as well, to be honest.
Not lone anymore...
...concur wholeheartedly. I thought it may be a boy/girl thing, but clearly not.
Of course it's artiface!
I'm sure Stoneking would be the first to admit that he wasn't really born at the turn of the last century.
But I always think you should judge the end result, not the contrivance. If you don't like it then, fair enough, but most musicians - if not all - are willing slaves to images of their own creation. As far as I know, Bob Dylan never travelled the railroads, Bruce Springsteen never worked the line in a Chrysler factory, and AC/DC are not actually in league with Satan.
No, sorry Fraser...
... but I was with you right up to the bit about AC/DC.
Well...
I'm quite willing to be proved wrong on that one.
Actually Fraser
...you're right. I don't mind artifice in other people, so not sure why it bothers me here.
Just don't like it is all. Can't stand Seasick Steve either.
Make that three
I'm a little suspicious of the affected rough-as-guts Aussie accent and the romantic-sounding "raised in an Aboriginal community" story.
It may sound wonderfully exotic and probably adds a touch of Romulus and Remus-style mysticism to the bio sheet, but I'm guessing the reality was not quite as convenient as that.
Oh and if C.W's dad really did remove his family from America after seeing a redneck bumper sticker, he must be enjoying his time in Australia where the roads are simply full of racist/xenophobic examples of the same: "fuck off, we're full" being just one of the most poetic.
C.W.'s dad
Has his own Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Marshall_Stoneking
I saw that
He was a teacher up in the Northern Territory, it seems.
Remember Leon Redbone?
I'm enjoying Mr Stoneking a great deal, but I can't help comparing him to Leon Redbone (and does anyone remember Earl Okin). Same style of music, same 'artifice', but, IMHO equally enjoyable. His background isn't a problem for me.
Can I just have a whinge
about Fraser's "Keep the 4th of November free" teaser?
If it is a gig then it falls on a Thursday which is a bit of a bugger if you don't work or live within London commuting distance.
CW Stoneking is the Duke of Norfolk
The Word magazine is released concurrently in the year 1928 - a feat made possible by a footpath through space-time that runs along the back of the building where the magazine is published. The dual photograph above was achieved by messieurs Ellen, Hepworth, Lewry & Stoneking taking a bracing five-minute stroll back to the late 1920s and adopting an identical pose in front of a camera from that period. As you can see, the exterior of the building has changed little during the intervening 82 years.
The 1920s incarnation of The Word typically includes a pop-up centrefold in which cardboard caricatures of bands with records under review can be made to box with each other for the title of Album of the Month. The magazine takes a more fiery editorial tone than its mellower, modern-day counterpart: A continual debate rages regarding the identity of the fifth species of beetle discovered during a royal expedition by fellows of the University of Liverpool to the remote South Western provinces of Papua New Guinea. It seems that a numbering error made during the cataloguing of unknown specimens taken from the region has resulted in confusion over the order in which each was discovered. The argument regarding the 5th beetle in line has been especially ferocious and the catalyst for numerous duels, with the notable casualties of these affairs of honour duly recorded in the magazine’s obituary pages.
Word staff travel back to 1928 on a weekly rota to work on the publication. Studies of historical documents from the period reveal that Mr Ellen is considered quite the dandy around town but has unfortunately acquired an inscrutable arch nemesis. Mr Hepworth is known to fire records he dislikes from a brass cannon mounted on the roof of The Word offices. In the latest issue he proudly claims to have winged the editor of a rival publication with one well aimed blast. Kate Mossman has launch a crusade to tidy up the dawn chorus in Islington. Her avian elocution lessons are aimed at training wild birds to chirp in key. Fellow bird lover, Fraser Lewry, is hailed as the inventor of the Pheasant Abacus – a combined adding machine / pie making contraption which has become the toast of the city’s financial quarter and the nearby Smithfields meat market. The bank of England is said to own five. Harrison’s Select Brogues for highwaymen come in varying shades of neon. Their appeal is not limited to the criminal classes and they are worn by many discerning gentlemen and ladies.
CW Stoneking is not from 1928. Unlike the staff of The Word he has spent very little time living in that decade. He’s probably never punched a lion either.
There’s a dreary question of authenticity that hangs around certain genres of music. In the case of the Blues, authenticity is all about whether you’ve led a life worthy of the material. Of course it’s all nonsense and doesn’t really matter. The background of an artist is just local colour. It’s the performance that counts.
It’s like the first time I heard Skeleton Key by The Coral. Deep down in my heart I knew that the band weren’t really psychedelic pirates and never would be, no matter how much I closed my eyes and wished that it was so. I really liked the song and still do.
It wouldn’t bother me if CW Stoneking turned out to be the Duke of Norfolk. In fact I would be delighted if that turned out to be the case. I enjoyed what I’ve heard of his music enough to spend most of this morning trekking across a huge swathe of Southend-on-Sea searching for a copy of Jungle Blues; to no avail, sadly. My best hope had closed for the bank holiday. It doesn’t matter. I’ll get it another day.
I couldn't care
less if he was born in 1928, 1958 or 1988. What I saw at the Windmill on Friday was a cracking show that ticked all the right boxes for me: great showmanship, some belting tunes and a fantastic atmosphere that is rare to find in many gigs in London these days.
I'm told the album will be in the shops this week and I for one will be paying hard cash for a copy.
You could have…
… bought one at the Windmill - and got it signed, to boot!
Fraser is of course right..
..artifice is the foundation that rock music is built on. The only thing that matters is if you buy into it or not.
I can see why CW impresses the pundits (and punters) of the rainy old UK, he is after all radically different to almost anything you've seen, even Seasick Steve sounds space-age compared to him.
His assertion, however, that only he was interested in exploring pre-war blues when he came up in Sydney and Melbourne is false. CW would have been well aware of artists like The Backsliders, Dutch Tilders etc..and Captain Matchbox were exploring the same semi-vaudeville hokum side of blues as far back as the 70s.
Two things bother me about Stoneking; The first is the tone of his singing voice, which he has obviously arrived at from endlessly playing old recordings, but it is the very limitations of the recordings which make the voice sound like that..all midrange and no top and bottom end.It's the sound of a mynah bird.
The other is his accent. I don't know how an American who spent his first 10 years growing up in Papunyal would sound, but I imagine by now they would be using a fairly normal Aussie accent, not the "I'm different, me" patois he now uses that sounds about as convincing as Madonnas English effort.
Enjoy him anyway..jeez it's gotta be better than Coldplay.
..and here is Captain Matchbox..
..from 1973, complete with banjo and washboard (and possibly bow-tie)
This is who I immediately thought of when I first saw him.
(Takes about a minute and a half to get going)
matchbox were more musical theatre IMO
CW seems to play his blues more straight, humorous monologues notwithstanding
Having said that Jim Conway is up there with my favourite Australian harmonica players
here's someone who did it in 1978
I have to say I'm in two minds about CW. I bought the first CD then saw him on TV a couple of times and hated it. Then I heard a radio interview in Australia (http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2009/04/07/2537291.htm?site=sydney) which kind of changed my mind as did the Word podcast. Interesting that we are suspicious of artifice when as Fraser says it's everywhere, most musicians and bands have some kind of story aka image.
Oh dear CW seems to be damned if he does damned
if he doesn't.
Enough already with all this "is it real" nonsense as Fraser says Kraftwerk for example aren't robots they are just PRETENDING. Also this may be a shock to some round here but Tom Waits has been a pop star for 40 years he's not a down at heel rummy, (it's probably the reason he's moved on to hitting things and shouting he's run out strippers called Matilda to write about they can be thin on the ground at organic farmers markets.)
One of CW crimes (apart from a modicum of success) is being born in 1974 not 1934 or 54.
If he got up and said he was from Surbiton and had been to the Brit school a large proportion of posters here would be picking up stones to chuck at his stripey suit he can't win.
Oh as for judging people by the way they talk I thought Australia was meant to be a bit more egalitarian than that?
Possibly
but Australians are also quite good at spotting fakes as well.
Remember when we used to ridicule Jagger for vacillating between his natural middle class accent and his adopted mockney? I suspect something similiar is at work here.
???
he's not a"fake" he has an artistic persona which reflects some aspect possibly of "himself" and of the things etc he's picked up on the way and also stuff he's made up to amuse us all and to sell concert tickets. Much like I'm sure when the priest poured water over your head he didn't intone the words " I name this child, Mojoworking" it's a construct which pleases or doesn't in equal measure and much like Woody Allen in Annie Hall this it the moment I wish I could produce Jacques Derrida.
Green Gartside
wishes he could produce him, too, but it ain't gonna happen...
Unfortunately, Chris, Derrida decided he was going to be self-produced after the notorious incident in which Phil Spector (allegedly) pulled a gun on him.
Plus he's dead
(Derrida, that is.)
not sure being "dead" should be so much of a barrier
Sherlock Holmes has technically never been "alive" as you so quaintly put it but he's more real to more people than sadly most of us are. So if Jacky want to push some fades even if they just "thought faders" and introduce some semiotics to the bass line I'm sure the trifling matter of him being "dead" wouldn't stop him.
What I meant, your majesty*,
was that JD's being dead might prove a bit of an obstacle to your stated ambition to produce him. And indeed to his self-production project, if it comes to that. All Jacques is pushing these days is daisies. Upwards.
*Please note, Chris, that I am in no way likening you to a streak of bat's piss here. Or anywhere else...
:-)
I'm referring
to his accent, which to those familiar with such things, contains strong elements of Aboriginal patois.
I'm guessing it's an affectation in much the same was as, say, Tim Westwood's speaking voice is.
In that respect it's certainly fake.
So if an "aboriginal"
spoke in a broad brummy accent would that be a "fake"?
Tim Westwood isn't a fake he just didn't follow his dad into the church not sure any of us would want to be judged on that criteria.
Are you sure about that?
"Critics have derided Westwood's apparent emulation of Black British pronunciation and dialect, which is claimed to be at odds with his middle class British origins".
"In interviews Sacha Baron Cohen has stated that Westwood, including his supposed fake Caribbean accent, was an inspiration for his fictional Ali G character"
But there's no deception
seeing as Westwood's background is in every mainstream piece about him none of his fans will be under any delusions and seemingly don't care. He may not bang about it but he hasn't denied his origins lately. If there's no deception there's no fakery and using a professional chameleon like Sacha Baron Cohen to prove your point is interesting.
I would say that Westwood's only crime (here at least) is that he doesn't fit into the predetermined position in life you and other critics would think he should stick to.
I bet...
...when Tim Westwood visits his parents he doesn't greet them with a hearty "Wassup?". You want middle-class kids affecting patois just get on a bus at 3.30 during term-time. It's everywhere. They are not taking GCSE French anymore apparently but they seem to speak an entirely different language (not just a few terms) with their friends than they do with their parents, in a way that previous generations haven't.
And Seasick Steve lives in Norway. Which is somewhat lacking dustbowls, boxcar johnnies, soup kitchens and dollar diners. But he is just as real as David Bowie, cos, y'know, he never actually went into space either.
Wassup
My mother worked with Westwood's father, and went to his funeral a few years ago. She spoke with Tim at the wake, and I can report that the DJ's patois doesn't disappear, even at such formal gatherings.
Wow,
I stand corrected. I wonder at what point in his life it became the norm.
I hope
TW wasn't called on to read a eulogy to his dear old dad
"Yo! Me main man gone up in the building in the sky. I'm gonna big him up something crazy. He was a great man, innit?"
Much of this thread
reproduces an internal dialogue I was having while listening to this podcast: "I don't like this guy's stuff" "why not?" "it sounds phoney" "well, an awful lot of stuff you love, like Dylan, Jagger, Bowie, etc, is also phoney."
And there I ran out of reasons. But there must *be* a reason. How about this: we all know that, e.g., Mick Jagger is not American and that Eric Clapton is not a black guy with a history of racial oppression. But we recognise that they are imitating something that speaks deeply to them, so deeply (and here's the point) that they can use that adopted form to express something that is very real. So, the persona is not real, but what it expresses is. And maybe with CWS some of us do not hear him using a false persona to express something genuine - we just hear a false persona.
Is that it?
Phew, reading this blog has reassured me
I listened to the podcast and part of me was saying "this is different and is the sort of thing I should like" but another part was saying "I hope this bloke stops singing soon so they can get on to the chat." I didn't feel that when Wilco Johnson and Boo Hewerdine were on. I think it was the incredibly mannered singing that just grated on me. A bit like Tom Waits and Bryan Ferry in that respect. Still, that's just me and I can see why other people love that sort of thing.
It's certainly re-assured me..
..all respect to the people that like him, but I wouldn't give a toss about the artifice really, if I actually liked what he did..after all Dylan invented a whole persona when he started, to the extent of talking like an Okie and denying his parentage.
But really..the concept album, the clothes, the studied mystique..replace Africa with hobbits, boating jackets with capes and a tin-can guitar with double-neck and its all the conventions of prog rock innit?
Artifice? Who cares when it's this much fun
I drove over from Manchester to Liverpool to see him last night and it was one of the best gigs I've been to in my quarter century of gig going. Round about a 100 of us there and we were treated to a great show. After years of seeing plodding indie / rock bands, I'm all for a bit of showmanship and make believe.
For those interested, I spoke to him after the show when I got my CD signed. He said the Word podcast had been fun and he's planning to tour the UK again in January.
Blimey, missed you !
I was there too : sorry I didn't see you. This may have been down to losing a spec lens (!) and so heading down the front, instead of fluttering and mingling.
Yes indeed, a splendid night out, not least because of his funky band. I can never resist a bit of cornet, me, or indeed tuba, and who risked outshining CW, at least until he went solo with banjo and starting telling some shaggy dog stories. (Lovely guitar, by the way.) I'm also not used to seeing someone seeing someone not afraid of appearing a wee bit cabaret in good old grubby venues as opposed to somewhere shiny, say, the Speigeltent at the Edinburgh Fringe, and I'm all for it. Big ear-to-ear smiles all round.
Still some dates, e.g. at King Tut's tomorrow, so perhaps the Glasgow Massive can spice up a dull Thursday ?.
Had a feeling it was you down the front!
I was planning to venture over and say hi but I couldn't be sure and didn't want to risk opening with "Excuse me, are you Doods?"
Ah well, when he tours again in January .... and we can protect each other from crazy dancing lady...
Yes, she was ..er...lively
I nipped to the bogs before the encore, returned, and she asked me to put down my bag as it was disturbing her !
Stonking Stoneking
Difficult for someone relatively unknown to engage as interviewee on podcast. Liked his stuff though. The idea of him singing exactly like an old, old record seems interesting and novel to me - bringing to the fore a forgotten sound that becomes rediscovered anew - a new seam to mine when all the usual ones are more or less exhausted.
We love the Stoneking record
We arranged for him to come in not knowing what to expect. Before we started recording Mark asked his mate the question we'd been asking ourselves - "is he in character"? He assured us he was. I've interviewed a few artists like this, people who clearly assume a persona, and there's no point in saying, "this is all made up, isn't it?"
Even Richard Thompson, as self-effacing an artist as you might wish to meet, admits that the persona he projects is a different character. Some people liked the chat and not the music, others liked the music and not the chat. Either way it's interesting and, for what it's worth, his record is terrific.
The music was absolutely fine
no problem there. But the chat grated with me every step of the way.
Stoneking's persona may appear quaint and exotic in Britain, but to Australian ears it was like listening to an in-depth interview with a heavily sedated Vicky Pollard.
Can I just re-iterate..
..that the "persona" wouldn't bother me, if his music convinced me, which it don't.
That's obviously my problem as he seems to give pleasure to many (not all) of the above posters.
Having said that, I haven't (like one poster) spent years listening to useless indie bands...
I thought the sedated sound...
... probably had a lot to do with jet lag to be fair.
I did like the tunes though, and he's on emusic. So a download will follow...
It would be
a very long plane journey indeed that could make someone do a passable impression of the Darwin village idiot ;-)
a bit harsh
.
Sorry
to offend, but that heavily affected bogan-speak is about as convincing as Steve McClaren's Dutch accent ;-)
One thing's for certain
This guy is very good. I've read the Word feature (nice one, Rob Hughes), listened to the podcast, I've seen the gigs and now I've lived with the album for a few days. I couldn't give a hoot if he has a dodgy accent. He's a big talent.
Another dissenter
Glad to read other unenchanted listeners. I've listened to all of the podcasts now from 176 down to 144 and its the first one where I skipped past a section. He just makes me feel that I don't get enough time to listen to all of my Tom Waits records (and there are so many more to get). I know this isn't fair, as so much music I love has obvious and heavy influences, but as this one is so out of time and step if feels unnecessary. You never know, he may come out with something that speaks to me more in the future, but I have no interest in 1928 jungle music, I prefer the 90's version!